S2 E3 When “Showing Up” Is the Strategy (Even When It Sucks)

What happens when two serial entrepreneurs pull back the curtain on what it really takes to build multiple businesses at once?In this episode of Show Me Yours, we sit down with Andrew Hazzlee and Marcus Alvarado—founders, marketers, podcast builders, and the brains behind Booth Bingo—to unpack the messy middle of entrepreneurship.We’re talking:Building businesses that actually solve problems (like turning boring vendor events into lead-generating machines)The long, unsexy grind of growing a podcast (300+ episodes, years of little traction, and no shortcuts)Why consistency beats “genius ideas” every timeAnd the hard truth: even successful entrepreneurs regularly question if they should just go get a jobBut the real gold? Their failures.From public event flops and financial hits… to 400+ job applications with no offers… to betting big on ideas that barely break even—this episode is a masterclass in what it costs to stay in the game.Big takeaways for small business owners:💡 If your marketing isn’t driving results, it’s not “branding”—it’s broken🎯 The best ideas come from solving real, painful problems (not chasing trends)🔁 Consistency and iteration will outperform talent 10 out of 10 times💥 Public failure isn’t the end—it’s often the turning point🧠 The “wisdom phase” only comes after you push through the hard stuffAnd maybe the most important reminder:Every successful business owner you admire? They’ve had moments where they wanted to quit.They just didn’t.Go check out their work:https://boothbingo.com/https://coloradobusinesspodcast.com/

Show Me Yours - Andrew Holley and Marcus Alvarado - Reformatted Transcript Cleaned working transcript with topic sections and timestamps preserved. Formatting note: The source transcript did not include reliable speaker labels, so this version is organized by timestamped topic sections rather than guessed speaker turns. [00:02] Opening Theme 0:02 - Show me yours. Where failure speaks volumes. Jason and getting real drop. Brutal business truths. No sugar only. [00:15] Season 2 Episode Introduction 0:15 - Well, hello and welcome back to Show Me Yours. As always, we have another treat for you. This episode we are going to be talking with some real true pioneers and leaders of our small business community. Not to mention these guys are serial entrepreneurs. They have so many ventures going on right now. I just had to spend the next or last 20 minutes trying to get it all straight. so thanks guys. that was helpful to talk this through and I'm a little nervous to go down the list of all the things that they have going on. So, let's go ahead and do an introduction and see how I score in introducing these guys cuz I think this is going to be the toughest introduction that I have ever had. Okay. [01:06] Meet Andrew Holley and the 1 Million Cups Connection 1:06 - All right. So, first and foremost, we have Andrew Hley. Andrea Hley has a very long resume and you and I met at 1 Million Cups probably back during the pandemic time when you first moved here, right? Right before the pandemic, I think. Yeah. Yeah. So, we we've known each other around the block, the downtown vibe for quite a while. back then you were kickstarting Behem Visuals. doing a ton of videography thing. I think you were even doing videography for 1 Million Cups, weren't you? Yeah. We were bringing the live stream and everything. Yeah. Yeah. They were killing it. I was an organizer, you were the the video guy, and we had a pretty amazing organizer crew back then. and it's all volunteer stuff, too, by the way. It is. Yeah. You volunteered your time, your equipment, you edited, you were incredible. Yeah. And everyone else organizing. I mean, like it's a 1 Million Cups is successful by the volunteers who make it happen. 2:01 - So, and they I'm so glad that, you know, we were the number one, I think, one in the nation at the time, right? We were we were we had the largest volume of um visitors participants there in that same room. That's when we were at the warehouse, I believe. And I think we were one of the first to actually live stream as well, weren't we? I think so. Because of you. Yep. So, yeah, like I said, innovator. [02:27] Booth Bingo: Solving Event Sponsor Engagement 2:27 - Exactly. But also, another innovation you've been working on is Booth Bingo. Yes. Tell us a little bit about Booth Bingo, cuz this sounds so fun. Yeah, Booth Bingo is a way for us to really help solve the problem of, you know, we have there's these events with vendors, sponsors, and all this stuff. And a lot of the times it's more like a charity. Like these people are not really being at least able to see results from being a vendor or an attendee or not an attendee, a sponsor at a lot of events. A lot of it's just like, we love what you guys are doing. we just want to sponsor it, you know. So, we want to be able to and Jay is the Jay Dial is like the originator of the idea. He he saw an issue and he wanted to solve it um for his because he's a he's a he he does the Pioneer Rodeo. Check it out. You guys should get him on actually. yeah, we'll send you guys information. Please do. he he's an amazing guy and he had he just loves people and he just wanted to figure out like he's always like he has a company called Sponsor’s Edge and he always wants to how do we provide the value back to vendors and back back to the people who are paying who basically are funding the event you know and so it's like Booth Bingo was a solution for that. He he saw like this little Booth Bingo like actual paper card at an event he went to and he was like if we can make this like uh an actual like app product and um he started talking to me about it and we've been building it since October. It's actually live now. people can have it in their events currently. So um we're we just launched over the weekend actually crazy Booth Bingo light uh which is a smaller stream down version if you don't want like the leads that come with it. we have like really robust like awesome things that you get for like our our premium software. but we decided to also make a light version so that more people can have access to this technology. So, yeah, that's brilliant. It makes me think of when I go to this big HR conference. 4:23 - It's called SHRM. They have this huge annual conference every year and they call it adult trick-or-treating because you go into the this the vendor area and all I do is just hit up the places with the good merch, the good promotional, all this fun stuff. this would be a great motivator to actually go outside of the swag and Mhm. Yeah. People scan boos and they win prizes and so that's part of the the idea is to make sure we have a good grand prize so that it encourages people to, you know, visit all the booths. Yeah. Participate. And um yeah, that's kind of the idea behind Bingo. Yeah. [04:55] Marcus Alvarado, Red Mojo Marketing, and Event Experience 4:55 - I love it. And then we have Marcus Alvarado and you're from Red Mojo. Yep. Red Mojo Marketing. He's on the Bingo team, too, by the way. So yeah, here you are. Tell us about Red Mojo, man. So, so Red Mojo is my second a well third agency that I've had as far as marketing is concerned and I've had Recon Marketing for 6 years. Still own that one. although I'm going to merge them together. Red Mojo is newer. It's a year and a half old and we do digital marketing and before that I did events. So this hit home with me with Booth Bingo. But my main trade is marketing. That's what I do. Okay. and so Andrew hit it right on the nail when he was talking about Booth Bingo specifically cuz like as an event organizer just like Jay Dial, that was the thing, right? Like we always were able to bring most of the time always bring really good attendance to our shows. Always. cuz I did tiny house festivals. It's really hard not to have a lot of people come to a tiny house festival, especially back then. And there was always vendors after the show that said, "I still didn't get the engagement that I wanted. I still didn't get, you know, the type of visits that I wanted or whatever." And we've seen firsthand cuz we've done several events already of Booth Bingo and how it's really gamified the experience for the attendees and it's been amazing. It's been and this is all like in Andrew's head and he's built so much more than even the original idea behind what Jay was saying for the whole thing too. So now like after the show all the vendors get boom all their leads that were confirmed when they were visiting the booth ask them a series of questions like are you interested in what this specific vendor is promoting and they say yes that that's a lead for that actual vendor. So, not only is it bringing, you know, engagement to the booth at the show, it's actually shooting off leads after the show. Yep. That solves a massive problem. 6:32 - Jason's like, "Where do I get it?" Any event we go to, they better be doing Booth Bingo. That's all. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That's it. We hope that the vendors will like also be you know uh championing championing championing young cuz it's the it's the big pain that that a lot of people have. Now anybody that's watching though probably doesn't know [06:57] The Colorado Business Podcast Story 6:57 - these guys from all of this cool work you guys are doing will recognize their face from the car business podcast which we are so excited to we're a sponsor of. We love this podcast. I've been on. Thank you for inviting me as a guest. And uh and so as we dive in, I mean, not only are you guys business partners, but you're also podcast developers and that's now I don't necessarily know that it's like a business that you guys are developing like as a podcast. So tell us a little bit about that. Like what's the evolution of that been? You guys recently went through some rebranding. Give us a little bit of an update of what's going on in that world. Oh yeah. you know, I I originally started the idea cuz I wanted to connect with the business community here and I wanted to be able to pro provide that feedback back to the community and also just get known here cuz I didn't know anyone and so I figured this would be a great thing to start and you know from the beginning I've always had sponsors in mind but Marcus has really systematized getting sponsors and like you know you know making a good revenue stream from it. 7:56 - So, so that's been awesome. But, but yeah, I mean, um, just just out of the love of wanting to help build the business community kind of was the the precipice of it. And yeah, that's I'll I'll kick it back to Marcus on this. He's he's he's kind of underplaying a little bit. When I met Andrew, he was doing five episodes a week somehow, which is insane cuz you guys know, I mean, obviously putting on a podcast like absolutely insane. Just even the scheduling of a podcast is one of the hardest parts. Ridiculous. And especially in the beginning cuz now it's not really as much of an issue. I mean still it's still hard, right? But so he was doing that. I wanted to do my own podcast. I was like I'll meet you for coffee. We had a buddy that was going to introduce us. The buddy forgot to show up. So we looking around like at least I've seen him on Facebook on that podcast. I know what he looks like. 8:42 - So I go up and we have a 3 4 hour conversation. This is in January of 2021. And I was like dude at the end of the conversation I was like let me go see your studio space. But in the back of my head, I'm like, we should just go into business together cuz he hasn't made it to business, like official LLC yet. And I would love to be a part of this thing and help build it with him. So that was again over 5 years ago. And so I jumped in 90 something episodes in. He was already 90 episodes in and now we're at 300 plus episodes that we've done over the past five plus years together. And just like like any other partnership, like you learn so much about each other. The best thing about him and I is our personalities are so different. It's just a perfect yin and yang for what we do. It's just helps so much. Just kind of like you guys were talking about, you know, before we started with this, like there's the production and editing side, there's the side that like gets the the guests, maybe the sponsors or whatever it might be. Like that's kind of the one-two punch that we present with one another. That's also opens up like the doors for so many cool people in this town. Like at this point now, like we have so many cool people who want to come on. We like get super excited like, oh my gosh, there's a possibility cuz we're actually talking to the people of this person, you know? It's just it's just really cool. But for a long time, it was not like that. And we were just like, well, you know, we're still going to do it, but like, you know, it's it's a challenge. Like doing a podcast is one of the hardest things to build as a business. You go years without much gratification from it, you know, and so we just kind of kept our heads down and just went through the pain and now we're seeing some fruits of our labor, which has been really cool to see. Yeah. [10:08] Lessons from Interviewing Colorado Springs Business Leaders 10:08 - So, so question that I wanted to ask is, and before we get into the bucket and some other things, but I want to know, you guys are talking to like some of the smartest business people in Colorado Springs. What are some of the key things that you guys have taken away from some of these conversations? Like a highlight moment, doesn't have to be the best, but like what's something that hit you as you were sitting down and talking with some of these people that you're like, "Whoa, yeah, that's a good that's a good nugget right there." Yeah. Yeah. I I actually forgot to mention that's actually part of the reason why I started it, too, is like I I now get mentorship from people who are actually doing businesses and I get to talk to them and have a reason to talk to them. Like I like I've thought of it as like a a I get to learn as well too. like I get to ask the questions that I want to ask from these business business owners um at all different levels of of their business. So um a general a general like question or a general answer to your question um it's hard you know like cuz everyone's everyone's like experience is different you know um I know gleaning some information from uh JW Roth who who you know started the the the the Ford Amphitheater here you know and so many other things. Yeah, I was going to say like one of the city's best entrep entrepreneurs. You know, his a good insight taken from him was, you know, learn how to raise money like like building that skill of raising money is one of the most powerful things you could do. I think uh is kind of what I learned like a good takeaway from from that specific episode. But yeah, what about you? 11:34 - I mean, kind of the same with him. So JW, he had partners that taught him how to raise money. So that's how he learned is like he teamed up with partners who knew how to raise money for Bourbon Brothers and Roth's food. which is incredible for him. I mean, now you're like, "Dude, this is the guy that raises money around town." And he just learned through the past 10 years that he had Bourbon Brothers, which is incredible. But another thing, too, is like these are all people. Like I had no idea that JW Roth was a police officer. Like he started as a police officer and now look at him like our next billionaire in Colorado Springs essentially. So, it's so incredible like what you learn and some things that you might not have thought of, but you're like, "Yeah, these are all just people at the end of the day with their own stories. They all come from, you know, backgrounds that a lot of people can relate to." Yeah, absolutely. [12:18] Aha Moments, Production Quality, and Podcast Growth 12:18 - Out of all the years you guys have been doing this podcast, what's your biggest aha moment? Oo, interesting. Biggest aha moment. Something that just kind of took you back. You weren't expecting. Hm. I think that, you know, when you're doing a podcast, you don't know where it's going to go in the immediate. So, like, like, like, one of the coolest things is like when we landed at Exponential Impact, by the way, thank you, Exponential Impact, cuz they've been an amazing um partner of ours to host our show there over the past 2 years. the ability to learn from Andrew about doing a studio space and understanding spacing and things like that. Like, when we landed that, that was a huge piece for us overall. And I'm like, man, like I never thought we'd be able to be in a beautiful space like this. Like it was just unimaginable when we were first starting it. I'm like, man, this is a really cool look and depth and feel for our show. So, it was kind of a good aha for me. 13:12 - I'm like, man, I didn't think that we'd be like have this quality this quick. Even though it was, you know, 6 years in or I guess four years in when we started doing it at Exponential Impact, it was just always iterating, always learning, but you know, you never know when you put your head down what you can get really quickly as far as good quality is concerned. You know, kind of like a pinch me. Oh my gosh. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of us get excited when they come on. They're like, "Oh, this is awesome. This is like a legit thing." Like legit. I'm like, "Yeah." I mean, it takes a lot of time. We load in, load out, and we talked about this before how that is for us, you know, to do that. But like once it's set, it's it looks nice. Like when you come in there, it's like, "Dang, we have this whole area to kind of film that." How long does it take? About an hour. Yeah. Oh, that's not too bad. 13:52 - Well, it's loading up and it's me and Edgar. If it was just me, it would be take longer than that. If Or if it was just Edgar, it would take longer than that. Actually, I can get all my stuff set up if I'm really focused and not talking to Marcus. That's the real thing right there. I just I can get it in like 15 20 minutes actually. Oh my gosh. If I'm going like I used to do construction so like getting things set up is you you learn the systems and like how to how to go if you're focused, you know? Yeah. But yeah, sometimes we get to yapping. Andrew, what's been an aha moment for you? Yeah. see that's a hard question for me. I I I can't think of a specific aha moment. it's just been, you know, showing up every week, you know, showing showing up. And tell me this then. Let me let me go one step deeper. Tell me an aha moment on how you guys started to grow your channel cuz you guys are, you know, one of, if not the largest podcast out of Colorado Springs. You guys have an incredible amount of following. Your episodes are getting 20, 30,000 views. 14:52 - So what was a threshold of an aha moment where you realized ah like we crossed that threshold and now like I changed something from what I was doing previously to now growing it. Was there an aha moment? Now take note this is Jason's opportunity to learn. Exactly. mentor away. Yeah. It's it's interesting cuz it's not like it's it's all a subtle a subtle thing that we we add and we're improving constantly over time. like the first episodes, you know, the first two episodes were just audio only a phone and then for like the there there was a good period where it was just one camera all the way up to like the 50th episode, something like that where it's just one wide angle. and it sounds seems similar to what you got right here. Uh, and so and then as soon as I was I I just like I wanted to improve prove that. So I'm like, okay, it's going to be a pain a pain in the A. You can curse. A pain in the a pain in the ars. 15:50 - since it was, uh, St. Paddy's Day yesterday. But, uh, it was it was like I I would think, you know, like, oh, adding a camera for me and the guest is going to be such it's going to add so much more work to me in post-production and editing. I'm going to have to cut between each each person. But I was like, I definitely want to upgrade that. And so, I ultimately pulled the trigger on like getting that and then bought a second camera, you know, and just slowly I added that. and then, you know, started adding more more different things and um just it's things been added. I I could say I really do like the formula that we have for uh the hooks that we have, but I don't know if that is the thing that is pushing the needle. I mean, I think it might be, but I I don't know for sure. I know it's very helpful. but I think it's just the consistency like um and and having that mentality of constantly growing every, you know, every episode it feels like, you know, um, you know, just just this week we got new mic stands for our podcast and they're really freaking awesome. They're really robust and they're powerful. like not powerful, but someone with them powerful. They're they're just nice and like we we didn't really necessarily need that, but it's something that we upgraded, you know, like it's cuz the other mic stands did work, you know? They just we had two people break break them uh before because they just weren't designed to be adjustable. But these new ones have tension on them, so if someone moves it, it actually moves and it stays where it's at instead of snapping off. 17:22 - Do you have a piece of equipment that you're most protective over? Like if you were if someone were to trip and fall on top of it, would you? Oh, yeah. I mean, the cameras probably. Yeah, we invest into the cameras. We invest in Edgar, too. You know, who brings some of some of the good cameras as well. He brings FX3s. and you know, I got my Black Magic. I don't want anyone tripping over any wires. I actually try to keep all the wires on this side or, you know, the the other side of the table where the guest won't be. It's like the production side essentially. And you do a good job of that. You keep it really clean. Yeah. Thank you. It's really nice. Yeah. And like we we it's just constant, you know, improvement. And I don't know if there's a specific thing like that has. I think it's just consistency and showing up and you know, like we've had seasons with this podcast, too. Like like two like three around three plus like around the three or four year three or four years ago mark, you know. you know, there were there were episodes like we we would we would actually skip weeks, you know, we wouldn't do an episode this week just because we didn't have the booking in place or like there was a lot of things, you know, there was periods where things seemed like they were falling apart, you know, but, you know, the last two years we've had it really solid and so that's probably a good a good uh like we're we're all fully committed, you know, like it's yeah, we're all deep deep like keeping it going and yeah, it's awesome. Should we dive into the bucket? [18:43] The Bucket: Walking Away from Entrepreneurship 18:43 - All right, you guys. So, as you guys know, this is our bucket of failure. question label that someone is the it's the bucket of tuition. Yes. All the tuition we've paid. Yes. Ask ask the hard questions of of lessons learned and obviously you guys have had a lot of experiences. So, I'm excited to uh to dive in. So, why don't you guys go ahead and dig in there and pull out a question or you go? I'll go. Right. And I'm I'm from Missouri, so this podcast name is nice cuz it's it's the show me state. so really it's on the license plates and everything like they're show. I need that license plate. All right. So tell us about a time you seriously considered walking away from entrepreneurship for for a normal job. what ultimately stopped you? That's that's interesting because that's kind of I was kind of already like touching on that a little bit. you know, we had a season even with the podcast, you know, um where, you know, but you know, just uh a couple years ago actually um with Vim Visuals, um I was just not really feeling I just had my memory on Facebook pop up. That's how I know it was two years ago. cuz I made a post about it. I was like, "Hey, I'm I was actually having a good amount of like workflow flowing in from it at that time." It was it was it wasn't like business was bad. 20:03 - I mean there's obviously with video production there's seasons you know and everything with every business but um yeah there's about two years ago I I decided I kind of wanted to stop really focusing on video production as much and I wanted to to do other stuff and part of that was AI actually. I think it really it I saw and it still hasn't happened yet but like I do foresee you know AI replacing a lot of what videographers do. um you know like you could take a photo of of something and then tell tell it to make a video out of that photo. Now you can and it does a pretty pretty darn good job and you know like creating certain things and obviously there's still there will always be a need for like you know a videographer being at an event you know or something like that I think um and I do think events are going up so that actually might not even happen you know but um I just wasn't really feeling videography that much. really I'm I'm an engineer at heart and I love I love building and I love creating and I really wanted to focus on on that you know and um so I kind of you know got a couple part-time jobs uh over the last couple years uh helping me with that. 21:04 - It's a normal job. I actually I was already kind of doing that a little bit, you know, on the side, but I actually recently uh put in my resignation just a couple weeks ago for for that. So, going more fulltime on on development and and stuff. It's still like um you know you know it was interesting with that cuz my part-time jobs were I've I always felt like they were still freelance in a way. like I even in my like my part-time job, the name of it was in my Vimma Visuals folder actually on my computer. So, it was still I still folder. Yeah, I still look at that as a client, you know, and so and and the way that like our agreements were, you know, were that like they they the agreements were kind of set up like a freelance in a way, you know, it's like you can work up to 40 hours, but like there was no like mandatory for that. So sometimes I would be doing 10 hours, you know, lately, the last couple months, I've really been focused on Booth Bingo and building on that. So it was kind of just dwindling down to like even sometimes 5 hours a week. And it just wasn't fair to them to like that's not uh like they need someone doing the work and like I just wasn't able to. And so I just ultimately had to like be like I think we have to step away here and you know Yeah. Cool. 22:20 - It's so ironic that even you go into traditional workforce and reenter the workforce your entrepreneur heart still takes over. Exactly. Yeah. And that's why I'm probably not a good employee, you know. We've got a sticker right here. Say, "Sure, I'm my own worst or I'm I'm a Sure. I'm my own boss, but I'm also my own worst employee." And then where's the other one? here we go. Owning a business means you're officially unemployable. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was getting at. Yep. It's so so true. Yeah. What about you, Marcus? Same question. Yeah. What's the question? Yeah. Time you thought about giving up or getting a full-time job, is that what it's I mean, I think entrepreneurs go through this a lot. depending on where they're at in the journey for being a business owner. I've had many times where I'm like, man, I don't know if I can go further cuz the pain is just so hard. So, um, it happens several times. 23:17 - jeez, that's such a hard question to answer all at once. I would say for me, just like the the this says right here, I'm pretty unemployable in a lot of ways, too. I haven't had haven't had a job in almost 10 years. And um and even though that last job was at a marketing agency, and I actually liked it a lot, it's just there's just something in me that wants to be in control of my own destiny, no matter what it is. And so it could be a question of I'm going through a hard financial time and I need to figure out a way to either make money as an entrepreneur or I got to figure out a way to supplement that somehow through a job. And I've always been able to pull through on the entrepreneur side. So I think every entrepreneur goes through that to be quite honest with you, wouldn't you say? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's been a couple years since I've looked at LinkedIn, but I have. Yeah. It's funny throughout the years of building HR branches and now Savvion it's you're right those financial difficulty times you're like oh my gosh can I do this I'm not pulling in any money um my family's going to go broke I'm going to lose my house you know you think of all of these things that can happen and it feels heavy and then I always get out to LinkedIn and I go as far as looking at job descriptions for a few position I'm like okay I'm going to go make money now that's all the motivation I the time to put in for a job actually is like you could be doing that on activities for making money, you know, like it's it's not it's not easy to find a job in this like economy or whatever you want to say. Like last year when I was looking for this job that I just recently resigned, I it took me 6 weeks to find a job in over 400 applications and I'm like I have skills. What the hell is going on here? like like why can't I find I couldn't even like places like Home Depot or factories they don't want to hire you cuz I I just stepped away from entrepreneurship and like I had no like I hadn't been employed for 5 years that's what it looks like to them so it's like it doesn't like like it took over four I put 400 applications like I was what the hell's going on yeah go ahead from an HR perspective also you see an entrepreneur's resume and the first thing you think is well this person's going to come in and take over Yeah, that too. 25:27 - Yeah, it makes it really tough for us as well on the opposite end. I had a personality for it when I was younger and I didn't have the talent to back it up. So, here's a con kid that actually didn't know anything but thought he knew everything. But now the talent's there to back it up more. So, I can only imagine what it would be like in there like 2 weeks. I'm like, no, this is not the person that's going to employ me anymore, you know? So, yeah, I was just very unemployable as a young kid. I lost my first three jobs. Got fired from all of them. Domino's discount type like all the main jobs and got fired quick and was just being a knucklehead. Like at Domino's I was supposed to be door hanging and I just like went to the gym. I did for like a year. That's an entrepreneur's resume by the way. I can spot an entrepreneur on a resume before they even know they're an entrepreneur. I walked into an interview and said, "Listen, while your resume is great, you need to be a business owner because this is an entrepreneur's resume." And they're like, "No, I don't want to." I'm like, "Oh, you will be. 26:22 - Watch me." Yeah. Yeah. Thank goodness you hone your skills in, too. Like, if I didn't have if I was just reckless and didn't do anything, then it wouldn't have gone anywhere, right? Like, we have to hone our skills in as entrepreneurs, too, right? To ultimately have the skill set to carry yourself forward because you got to also be able to manage people as a business owner, too. That's a skill like to manage people. Not only do you have to have talent, you also got to have talent to manage people and lead and all those things, too. So, I tell that I volunteer for the SBDC as a consultant. 99.99% of my consultations is how do I hire my first employee? And I always tell these new entrepreneurs, well, congratulations. The day you hire your first employee, you just promoted yourself to management. Are you ready for that aspect? Are you ready for leadership as well? Cuz I'll tell you, if you're not a quality leader, that's where your HR problems happen. That's where they start. 27:11 - Yeah, it is. It's all leadership. Yeah. Yeah. But like you, Marcus, on my resume, the longest stint I ever really had was about 3 three and 1/2 years. And then I'd get bored and I'm done and I'm ready for the next. This is the longest job I've ever had. Three and a half years. Well, owning this business and it's been 10. So, I'm doing pretty good. But like a real job, three and I was done. I feel you. [27:38] The Bucket: Trusting Your Gut and Public Failure 27:38 - Yeah. Get cocky and you're like, I know it all. On to the next. On to the next question then. Let's keep moving. Let's do this. Uh-oh. This one looks like a long one. That was just big. Yeah, come out. Tell us about a time you trusted your gut and it led to a spectacular failure. How did you learn to trust it again or not? Oh man, I'm was an event organizer, so this is definitely down my road for sure. So trusted your gut and led to spectacular failure. There's one thing that's amazing about events is it's the one thing that's probably the most gratifying because when it actually kick off kicks off and people come to an event, there's no better feeling cuz you're like, man, this was an idea in my head. All these people came because of this idea and me going all out and pushing my chips all in. And it's like the most gratifying feeling I've ever had as an entrepreneur, bar none. But like if you fail and it's not a good turnout or something like that, then it's like everybody knows. It's not like, you know, you own an accounting firm and like maybe some people. It's like everybody knows because you spend all that time advertising. It's all over the radio. It's all over the internet and all these people come and show up and if there's no if for one the attendees will know and two like the vendors, the sponsors, they all know and so it's reputation in all these different ways. 28:54 - And so I've had many times of humiliation or failure. my 2022 event, Andrew was there, was a was a smaller year as far as attendance is concerned. And you know, when you go through that, you can take it in two different ways. One, you can kind of fake fake it and be like, "No, everything's fine." And that's kind of the way that I've taken it or I did take it. because I'm that I'm that person that has to be strong, has to put up that facade of like, "No, this is fine. We're going to get through it. Nothing's wrong." But like that was a hard event for me to take on financially and lose a lot of money on. And so that was a very public failure. There was also a lot of like um falling outs with people closest to me and business partners that year. So it was like all those things all at once. And I was also still an agency owner at that time. So it was just like losing business partners, having an event that wasn't, you know, up to par what I was normally used to having for an event for my size cuz at that point it was like every year boom boom boom boom big big big big event. And it was very public and it was very hard for me to stomach. But it's it that was the biggest precipice for me to kind of move forward as a business owner and to like learn how to take my stripes and to move forward. That was the year I was like LinkedIn, you know, like let's check out and see what what we can do, you know? 30:06 - But like when you move past that, there's so much on the other side of that. Like I feel like a lot of people, they can either stay in this like phase of um just being this pissed off at life. And we all know those people who are very negative and they're jaded um because they victimize themselves from one moment in time that could really, you know, make the biggest impact on their life, whether negative or bad or negative or good, right? Or you can move past that and there's like a wisdom phase after you move past that. A lot of people can't move past that phase. A lot of people we know stay in that phase and just victimize themselves over and over and over again. And so I chose to like figure it out and have humility. And like my girlfriend at the time, like she's like, "I love you under a bridge. Whatever we want to do, let's do it." she supported me. That in itself was like the biggest thing ever. 30:48 - It's like, man, I have someone that still believes in me after all this. And that's how I move forward. It's like one step at a time. I'm like, this might take two, three, four years to dig out, but I'm I'm ready to do this thing. And grab my shovel and that was it. So, how how did that second part of the question like trusting yourself again? Like what was that first time where you like tested yourself and then it like kind of you kind of passed that? You're like, "Okay, cool. I got to win under my belt again." It was the following year. The following year was a more successful year. it was kind of a slow moving piece to it because at the top of that year, and will remember this, there was also someone who I don't know how they did it, but they kind of went very um they grabbed all my contacts from all my lists of like all my sponsors, vendors, everything, and said I was a fraud and I was like overestimating like the tenants of my shows, and then they blasted to everybody that I knew. 31:38 - And so I was like, "Holy cow, this is crazy." And it's funny cuz like you get anxiety, you get mad, you get all these different things, but sometimes those emotions, those bad emotions could be a good thing because it fueled me. I'm like, "All right, well, I don't even know if I was going to do an event this year, but now I'm going to do a freaking event this year and I'm going to do this again." And it gave me the fire to be like, "We're going to do this and we're going to do this right." And that's kind of what gave me that kind of snowball of confidence again. I'm like, I know who I am. I've made may may have had one bad event or one event that wasn't like what it was normally like, but I'm going to come back. And it gave me that fire beneath myself. And then the next year was great. So I was lucky, right? It could have been another bad one, but like it gave me the motivation to really go at it and like just build a new team, build a whole new strategy and just like go all in again. And that's the thing about events is like you're kind of Yeah. 32:27 - You're really pushing chips in when you have an event cuz you're banking on good weather. My event was outdoors like no wind, you know? Like it's it's a lot of risk with it. Yeah. Huh. What about you, Andrew? I I trust my gut for everything I do, I think. So, I mean, a lot a lot of that's kind of how I roll is kind of I go with my gut, you know, for the most part. And I I try to gauge of I also try to test, too. It's like I'm not just going to go with my gut. I'm going to um go with it, but also test. I know that I'm I'm testing if I'm doing if I'm if I'm doing that. I don't just want to assume that my gut is correct, but um but something that led to a a failure um specific thing I wouldn't consider it was kind of a failure and it was around the time when I decided to step away from Vimma Visuals and I didn't never stepped away from it. I mean it still makes money today. I just don't actively promote it now. Now people, it's just whatever comes to me and whatever happens to flow. But around that time, 2 years ago, I did put all of my chips into advertising and I dumped a lot of money, even put money on credit cards into advertising. But it broke even though it just didn't it just didn't work out. And it was kind of my my last ditch effort like if this doesn't work, then I'm going to try something else. so um that's kind of what led to, you know, me wanting to kind of step away from be visuals. that was part of it. 33:47 - I mean, um, I wouldn't say that that I just wanted it to work so bad. And I wanted it I wanted it to to to and it did slightly work. Like Breaking Even is not bad, you know? It could have been all all gone, but it didn't work. If you're not making money, it didn't work. Let's face it. And so that's what felt like and I put like a lot of my energy into that. And that's just one thing that comes to mind when when asked this question. That's the first thing that comes to mind. But I mean, and and so what did you learn to to to trust it again? I just I I just can't stop hearing my gut. I don't know. Good for you. I just stick with that. I mean, I did have a an I an uh an experience that comes to mind when I think of that too about like maybe a decade ago. maybe a little bit more than that now at this point. but I put on my own uh event actually. So, it was kind of an event and it was called it was a hip-hop event, like a rapping event and I was like the headliner and doing all this stuff. I had other people like that were supposed to and like I know you're a rapper too. 34:49 - Oh my god. Then not actually I do still freestyle a lot but uh not today. but now we add more to the resume you guys. Actually I could put on a beat but uh Jason you got a beat you can turn on. I think we might have to close out with this. but uh it it was I was like so dead like we rehearsed like me and my friend D we were rehearsing like so hardcore for like the the album that I released and like we were it was basically to promote that it was called rap is dead. It was about it was Halloween. It was a Halloween theme cuz that's why it was called rap is rap is dead. And I you know I even bought a like it was outside. This is one part I didn't know like I bought a generator uh and it was a gas gener generator. I didn't buy I rented it from Home Depot actually and I didn't even think about that and it was just But a drone behind me and so it's like but no like and I did there were people that showed up and I was so in my feelings about not enough people showing up that I didn't even my what I learned from it was I I should have you know um been grateful and had like gratitude for the people that did show up and that would but I ultimately just didn't we just shut it off. We didn't even perform. I put all this energy and like like we had had an afterparty. Like I was so sad. Like it was just a bad experience. And I didn't know about promoting events though. Like I didn't even like just told my friends on my in my on my phone. Like if I would have known how to promote an event, which I think I could now, I would have had people show up. But like they got a permit for the place and like I put so much energy into this. 36:26 - Yeah. It's it's kind of kind of funny, but that was that was something I just trusted my gut on and it felt like a spectacular failure. but like learning from that, you know, it's just, yeah, I just I just get back up. That's all I do. So that like I just I don't I don't need to trust it again because I just trust trust trust it again. Like it just default in me even if it's delusional. But yeah, we had an event like that. You're not alone. You're in good company here. We had an event. We were doing a fundraiser and it was supposed to be like this workplace fashion show cuz it's when you know co was over and people were starting to come back to the offices but everybody suddenly forgot what to wear to work. They thought sweatpants were totally acceptable. So we were like okay well during our fundraiser we'll put together a fashion show and we don't know how to promote events but we had quite a large list to promote too. We have a client base. We had all this stuff. We had models show up. We had outfits all ready to go. I think 10 people walked through our doors. It was humiliating here at this office. It's like a gun, right? 37:32 - Oh my gosh. Right. We had people go next door to Kuwaiti to entice people from Kuwaiti for free drinks to come over here and they weren't even coming. It was so embarrassing. Like that's probably one of the most publicly embarrassing moments of the business I can ever think of. But yeah, it gets you right in the gut. Yeah. I mean, and it feels feels bad, but when when you look at it in hindsight, it's, you know, it's it's not that bad, you know. Yeah. Like you, I wish I would have appreciated the people who did show up, but like you, I was so focused on the people who did not show up that I was just sulking and grouchy the whole time. I was not pleasant to be around. For sure. It wasn't good. Yeah, I feel you. Like you got me right here. Yeah, it's relatable for sure. I think at least for for some people the people who don't know how to promote events and all. [38:29] Gut Instinct, Leadership, and Learning from Failure 38:29 - I was going to say I think as leaders knowing how to trust our gut is a skill that we have to develop. And so learning how to listen to that intuition and knowing how to like lean into that is such an important thing. But you don't get it right all the time. And so often, like you were saying, that kind of victim thing really does show up. People try it and then it doesn't work and then they get stuck in that thing versus realizing like no, your gut will tell you like you like pretty much everything you need to know if you can learn how to listen to it and then time it correctly and get through the failures like not have it always be successful. Jason, you're a gut listener. Tell us about your gut experience. Oh man, you're probably the guttiest guy I know. I've taken it for stickers. The guttiest guy I think one of one of the times where I felt like I really it was um I was working within a company and I've always been an entrepreneur is kind of the way I look at it is like people come to me and they're like let's work on the skull works projects. Let's let's do the things that like kind of are happening and whatever and I I can help innovate. 39:33 - And I think that's where I I might be on that level more entrepreneur because I don't like managing and I'm not I don't like I just can't do it. And so I had I had a whole team underneath me and we were doing like this product where it was great. We were some it was about $2,000 of coaching and things and I saw this really cool opportunity to scale that and build something that I thought was going to really take us into the future as well as position me as like a a stronger leader within the organization. And so we were going to a company offsite. We were at the Guard of the Gods Resort, right? This is like the whole leadership team. I had spent about 3 days um preparing for this thing with some of the other leaders and I was about to like present it to the entire team to say hey this as a customer service and customer success realm this is the direction that I think we need to go and literally 30 minutes before I was going to give the presentation the um co-founder pulled me aside and he goes hey man we're not doing that like like this is not the direction we're going uh we're going to turn it into technology I can't scale people but I can scale heck. 40:38 - And so like this whole dream that I had literally just got a bomb dropped on it. And I remember feeling so frustrated and so just taken like what? No. Like how uh but then like quickly within about 3 months I was on the product team developing this new product cuz I was able to to scale something that didn't need as much people and we could turn it into tech. And then when we launched it, it was like a million dollar launch. So, it ended up being like a really cool experience, but I will never forget that getting pulled aside and having put so much out of so many of my dreams, right? Oh my gosh, this is what I see. This is what we can do and it just being taken away. So, yep. You ever forget that feeling, man? Yeah, that was it's br it can be brutal, but you can learn a lot from it. [41:24] The Bucket: Online Negativity, Trolls, and Criticism 41:24 - All right, I think we have time for one more dive in. All right. All right. Have a Come on, Andrew. Shuffle. Good one. Oh, you got the bigger. You guys keep going up inside. Someone who cut these up doesn't know what to do. All right. So, how how do you deal with online negativity, unfair criticism, or even trolls directed at your business? And this is a great question. I'm so glad you guys. This is so appropriate. Did you intentionally cut this one big so big piece of paper? Yeah. And then it says, "What's your secret weapon for brushing it off?" do you guys get much? yeah, a little bit here and there. we'll see things for certain guests, too. Like, just some of the trolls, you know, like we have a guest who likes to wear their hat backwards. And people will be like, "Oh, why are you wearing your hat backwards?" Just dumb things like that. The sun's not even there. I don't know. Like, it's stylist. It's a stylistic choice. 42:21 - But, uh, yeah. criticism. I try to not look at it cuz I don't handle it that well. sorry. So, I try to not get involved in in in the comments areas. We we even have like good comments, too, but sometimes I'll get sucked into that and it'll turn into something and I don't I just try to stay away from getting engaged on online. just because you kind of take it personally, internalize. I do a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. And like I I'm I'm a sensitive guy. But, uh, so be nice. But, I mean, I I'm I'm also pretty good at not giving a [expletive] so it's like, you know, so it's like I I do things cuz I like to do them. I wear, you know, these cool Aladdin pants cuz I they're comfortable, you know, like I don't care what people think about it, you know? So it's like I, you know, I want to rock a Fu Manchu, I'll rock a Fu Manchu, you know, or that's technically not a Fu man shoe, but that's what people call this. Is that what this is? 43:21 - No, technically if you think about like the the the Confucius, not Confucius, uh, What's achie the philosopher the ancient Chinese philosopher what's his name? It's one of those thin long ones that's technically a fu, but a lot of people have adapted like the Hulk Hogan one. They call it like they call it a Fu Manchu, but it's technically Hogan. I think Hogan when I see that I mean I I rock it cuz I like it, you know. And so, but online feedback, we had this one video go viral and um it was Santa Claus, you know, Mark Brochesini. I always butcher his last name, but uh it had like a few million views on it on Tik Tok. And at the end of it, um I say it just cuts to me cuz he's telling this really heartfelt story and it just goes that's awesome. And just me saying that and it cuts to me and like there's like 300 comments on that with different var cuz I said it funny too. So different variation. That's awesome. That's awesome. 44:22 - And I want to make a merch actually and wear it as a shirt. But like that that was just a fun one. I don't didn't take that one personally. That actually I actually loved that aspect. So I guess that's not ne I mean it could be they're technically making fun of me but not really. They're having fun with me. They're having fun with me. Yes, exactly. I thought it was funny. but um yeah, I just might for me how I answer that is I kind of just try to avoid it and if I do see it something that's negative or trolling uh just not respond to it. That's it's the best cuz why go down that road? That's kind of what they're seeking, right? Is that a reaction? Reaction. Yeah. How about you? You're the marketing expert. Like No, I kind of laugh at it. People make fun of my my uh chin strap beard all the time on YouTube, which is hilarious. Yeah, they do it all the time. You just can't read the comments. You can't read cuz people are just trying to get a reaction just like you say, you know, or they don't like the way that you put a response together or some of the isms that all of us have like I always say like that's awesome. I'll say that a lot in response when someone has a long-winded answer on the show and you're like oh like it's kind of funny cuz they're actually pointing out things that you didn't even notice about yourself. like I do say that's awesome a lot. Like you kind of you can have fun with it. I think at the end of the day though, like don't don't look into it cuz it's just people trying to get a reaction out of you. 45:34 - And whenever you have any level of success, I mean, even with me when I was doing my events or whatever, you're going to have haters. You're going to have a lot of haters. I just told you about one who just like email blasted people that I was close to, all my business partners and things of that nature. So, what I've learned is like you just got to be true to yourself and people are going to try to exploit you for this and that and everything else, especially when you're visible online. It's very hard not to be a target, you know, and so the more and more that we garner a lot more attention online, it's just going to happen more. So, we're now we're kind of prepared for that, you know, especially when they're funny things about our appearance or whatever. It's like whatever, you know? We're just who we are. I mean, anybody else can be on the internet and someone else can be making fun of them. What's what's the difference? So, if you take it at that level, it usually it's pretty fine. Now, again, like that all depends on if you know this person and they're making a shot at you versus a stranger online, you know? Yeah. So that's kind of how I take it. 46:25 - Do you ever find like they have that whole cliche, you know, what is it? You know, bad media is good media. Yeah, exactly. Do you guys find that to be true? I think for the most part, uh, depends on what your goals are, I guess. if you want to become the president, then that's probably a good strategy. Isn't that sad? Yeah. But uh but yeah, I mean yeah, I do technically it is because it's putting light on your ways and people are going to find you who actually are your tribe out of that negative if something got blown up because it was bad. but I mean reputation is is important and so if like totally if you did something and now it's like being going viral because of something you did that was bad like I mean technically it's going to trickle down and like it's going to blow up your spot and you're going to like blow up from it, you know? Like your podcast could do numbers now because of something happened because of some negative press because it puts you into more more more light. But I mean, and I think it it will find the right people. 47:32 - so I I do think it's true for the most part. Yeah. [47:35] Viral Moments, Public Scrutiny, and Resilience 47:35 - Do you guys um do you guys remember that last year video of the Coldplay concert and it was the guy holding the gal? Oh, I had so much fun with that. By the way, HR manager. Oh, exactly. Cuz she was an HR man. HR. She was on I guess Oprah has a podcast now and she just had a recent interview with her and she was talking through like what that whole thing was and kind of her side of the story. But the crazy thing about it was is like the hate and the death like calls that she was getting um people who were just like calling her harassing or harassing her kids just because of this whole situation. And it kind of was the situation that most people assumed, but there was a a definite there was definitely a lot of things and nuances that people didn't understand about that situation. And it was just interesting to me cuz I'm like, man, she blew up her career from this whole thing. She had to leave her job. 48:22 - I don't remember what happened with the exe the boss. I think I think he left his job as well. Yes, exactly. And it's interesting cuz it's kind of the situation we just talked about, right? Like these people, you know, getting caught up in something. I guess it had like 300 billion views on that video. I mean, there's 8 billion people on this planet. That's insane. So, wow. Now, she's on Oprah and she got a book deal, right? Like, she's writing a book about her experience and getting ready to put that out into the world. So, talk about spending something that I'm sure was really challenging and personally hard to go through and yet now to be able to capitalize on it. Great point. It's how you handle it, I think. Yeah. Like cuz it's her side of the story is way more nuanced and it's it's a beautiful human story really. I I saw that interview as well. Yeah. I was like, "Oh, yeah. Of course, there's like a real human being here that got totally viral, but like and we don't think that they're humans, but then we know that they are." In fact, her husband was in the audience from what I understand. 49:19 - Like he was the ex-husband was at the was uh they might have gone back together. Did they get back together? I don't need to fact check that on me. But I think I think their marriage might have survived it. Wow. Anyway, cuz I know they were separated before the whole video cuz she was currently separated during that concert. He he gone to the concert with somebody else in fact too, right? Yeah. So, it's just such a nuance story and we all I mean we get so just attached to the tiniest little things and then once we find out what's really going on behind it, we realize, oh, we have a lot more in common with all these people. She could she could have let it destroy her life, but she turned it into a positive by making a book. like, you know, I bet 10,000 people bought that book and she's probably made more money than she was making at at the at the age. But still, none of us know her name, though. Yeah. 50:05 - Kristen, but she could make it like from off of that, you know. There's there's a lot of people that do know her name though, like just because there's a percentage, you know. So, yeah, she definitely turned that into a positive. She could have like, you know, you know, got like turned her like like threw her life away because of that and like, you know, just oh, my life's over and, you know, gone. That she might have had a little depression too from that, but like Oh, she definitely did. Could you Yeah. How could you not? I mean, those are some publicly speaking, those are some darker days that none of us have ever experienced, right? Well, the break dancer at the at the Olympics, uh, she literally go was there and she like, what was she first of all, what was she doing? But uh second off uh breakdancer at the Olympics. Is that what we're calling it? But she was getting a lot like it was hard for her to handle that like bad like she's basically just being made fun of like hardcore. But I mean she was the the highlight of the Olympics. 51:09 - Do you guys remember the song Friday? Rebecca that viral song that went insane. I just saw an update on her, right? So, that song like went viral like what 2011 2013ish somewhere in there. I don't remember. It was this song and her mom spent $1,000 on this music video for her daughter singing this song and it went like uber viral at the time. I mean, it was memed. It was everything, right? And it really caused on radio stations every Friday, you know, it like and it caused a ton of heartache for her. In fact, she ended up ruining her the rest of her middle school years and her high school years. but now she just released an album at 25 and is touring with Katy Perry. Like yes, she's opening for Katy Perry. So like just these amazing stories again of where the trolls and the haters and all the things that kind of happen online but with some resiliency like we've been talking about kind of just as the thread of like having the resiliency to get through the hard things to find something on the other side and that is actually a gift. 52:09 - I think it eventually turns into a badge of honor. It does. You wear it as a sense of pride and when you can get to that point. Would you call it the wisdom phase? I love that because I always call it, you know, earning my tuition, right? Paying my tuition because I will always learn something out on the other end. But I love the wisdom phase. But I think that wisdom phase is that part that you hold so so dear that results in those books and those those touring deals that makes us better. I think it's American culture, right? The whole like they they build you up just to break you down, but they also like to see a comeback story. That's the trajectory of a lot of people like the Mike Tyson stories. Like there's no better story than that, you know, of like a full trajectory of like going back down, going to prison, doing all these losing and then coming back up and now he's like a beloved person in our world today. So it's it's so true. I think Gary Vee says it best that that the phrase the day trading attention. I think we're all doing that truly. That's what we do on social media every day through marketing, through advertising, all these. We're just day trading attention. And then when we have our moment, we got to make the best of that moment. And if you're resilient enough, [53:11] Andrew’s Rap Moment 53:11 - I mean, obviously, we can all make bad moments good moments for ourselves. So true. All right, Andrew, I'm I'm cashing in. All right, I pulled up a beat. I have no clue what this sounds like. All it says is hard rap beat. Oh, no. All right, so I'm going to play this beat. Let you kind of get familiar with it. The mic so that the audience can hear a Too late. We got to at least be able to hear the the Okay, here. Let me get a little closer so you can hear it. Are you ready? No. No. We're going to reinvigorate your rap career today. I mean, the band stands opening up in uh in the park, right, in park. So, I mean, Thursday nights, concerts coming this be your seventh career move this year. We're going to add to the resume today, guys. All right, let's see. I'm don't know if I I'm going to actually, but I'll try. Okay. What are we thinking? Here at Savvion, I'm going to have a fun. Ah, [expletive] I'm going on. 54:26 - All right. Yeah. Hold up. I'm nervous around rapping around other people, so this is going to be interesting. Okay. So, right. Okay. No. Fair enough. Fair enough. We got close. We got close. We got one verse. Yeah. One verse. Thanks for being a good sport. Yeah. That'll be a part of our clip. I want to I want to do better, but I don't want to embarrass myself. for our sponsorship. You can create a little sponsorship clip of you rapping for us. There we go. I'll I'll do it with you. You just tell me what to do. I'll wrap it with just beatbox. Whatever you want to do. Instead of our our current intro song is written by AI. It's a little got a little he hip-hop drop to it. So, you know, you can help us redo that. Okay. [55:19] Where to Find the Podcast, Booth Bingo, and Red Mojo 55:19 - There we go. Yeah. Our our AI system. Yeah. Have human element to it. Yes. you land the plane. I think it's about that time, my friend. So, yeah. Well, you guys, thank you so much for spending the last probably hourish or so with us and letting us dive deep into your experience and turn the mic on you. You guys don't get the opportunity to talk about your journey very often. You're so focused on highlighting the rest of our community. I'm glad Jason and I got to finally highlight the great work, the extensive work that both of you guys do. Now, this is going to take a little bit of time because there's a lot to cover here, but I need you guys to tell us how in the world do we get a hold of you and how do we pay attention to all of your projects and everything that you have going on? This is your time to promote the [expletive] out of yourself. I love that. I don't think I've ever had a call to action the [expletive] out of yourself. What's our new domain now? 56:15 - coloradobusinesspodcast.com. coloradobusinesspodcast.com. checked out that SEO. Yeah. You guys can find us coloradobusinesspodcast.com. We have rebranded. So again, formerly COS business podcast now Colorado business podcast. You can find everything on on there. So like applying for the show if you want to sponsor the show like Savvion has sponsored our show. what else on there? just check out the podcast. anywhere you could podcast. You can find it on YouTube as well too. Apple podcast. yeah. And then check out Booth Bingo as well, too. Where can we find Booth Bingo? Booth Bingo.com that he built. I mean, all through AI, you should check it out, too, cuz it's it's really he made He did a really good job. I I build websites for a living. And he did a really, really good job. Cool. And what about Redmo? Red Mojo.com. That's the one. Yeah. Digital marketing services, SEO, paid ads, uh, website design as well. We do it all. We partner with a lot of agencies here in town as well. So, um, that's what I do. I love to do that. 57:17 - That's my main trade. I've been doing marketing for about 16 years now, since 2010. So, yeah, I love it. So, redmojomarketing.com. Awesome. All right. All right. [57:28] Closing and Sign-Off 57:28 - Well, again, thank you guys. This is so fun. I know we do more often, right? We do. We do. but thanks to everybody joining us today and this was Show Me Yours. We'll see you next time. See you.

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S2 E3 When “Showing Up” Is the Strategy (Even When It Sucks)

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Making your passion more profitable.